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Post by zekester on Nov 6, 2012 7:55:43 GMT -5
Looking for opinions on the type of shoe for Squat and Bench pressing, Ive read a lot about the flat shoes for Deadllifting...But, have seen different postings for Squat & Bench and wanted the opinions of Powerlifters on this...ie...heel, no heel, small heel, high top etc..etc...
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Post by dbunch on Nov 6, 2012 11:27:09 GMT -5
I actually like to deadlift barefoot or in slippers.
For the squat I would say a flat shoe for wider stance and an Olympic style weight lifting shoe for a close stance. Basically if you’re using a wider stance your foot will tend to stay flat. It its closer you’ll want to rise up on your toes a little the Olympic shoes with their wedge shape heal allow for that.
I also like the Olympic shoe for the bench. Again I think it allow for more leg drive because of the slightly elevated heal because it allow for a slightly better arch.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 7, 2012 15:08:27 GMT -5
I wear a pair of adidas "weightlifting" shoes for SQ and BN with about a 1/4" heel. My SQ stance is relatively narrow (just outside shoulder width at best) so I really need the little bit of heel to stablize me going into and coming out of the hole.
The shoes are pretty solid build, narrow and the heel is firm, so although they're not top-notch Olympic lifting shoes, they only cost about $80 and I think the 1/2 to 3/4" heel an Olympic shoe gives you is overkill for PLing.
-Ryan
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 20:10:00 GMT -5
I need to save up for durable flat shoes. Using old running shoes, my left pinky toe is sticking up from a tear. I have another pair but it's trail shoes.
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Post by George on Nov 8, 2012 1:57:12 GMT -5
Supertu: I have been on enough forums to know that anytime powerlifting shoe questions come up, you'll have a Chuck Taylor Champion. I'm that guy.
I bought a pair of Chuck's from the Converse.com website back in 2006, and they look the same now as they did then. (The smell is a little different though). I think I paid 40$ then, and they are still at 60$ and below now. I did quit wearing them during training at my house and switched to barefoot. I did not like the sweat stains that built up in them, and since they are my "lucky" pair I hung them up.
I never had the money to invest in weightlifting shoes, etc. I have heard good things, but if flatness is what you seek, the Chuck's are probably the cheapest bargain going.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 16:13:38 GMT -5
Added to wishlist. Thanks George
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Post by osu122975 on Nov 16, 2012 15:48:26 GMT -5
i'm cheap. i buy chucky's. $40. they last forever. they work great.
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Post by Ryan on Nov 20, 2012 9:50:10 GMT -5
Chucks are ok for DL IF you don't like slippers (I wear Asics wrestling shoes myself; same difference really) because obviously, when you DL you want to be as close to the ground as possible.
Chucks are also good IF you squat wide (especially for multi-ply guys) because a heeled shoe would be of no purpose in this case, and would likely even screw you up in this (potentially create knee buckling inward among other undesirable things).
Chucks are ok for bench IF you lift in a federation that DOES NOT require you to bench with feet flat. Otherwise, a heeled shoe is better because it gives you better leverage with tucked feet, stronger arch, etc. Foot-forward benchers are better off with Chucks though because when you bench feet-forward, a heeled shoe will almost force you to get leg drive by pushing off with your toes, and you don't want that.
However, should the "IFs" listed above not fit your lifting style or the fed(s) you lift in, you are better off in a healed, hard-soled olympic-type shoe than you are Chucks. This is not opinion; it's a matter of ergonomic common sense.
Also, I can't think of one example where it's even OK for a PLer to be lifting in running shoes, new or old. Foam or gel-soled shoes, no matter how comfy, create inaccurate footing and are dangerous (on the SQ especially).
Again, I think Chucks have their place in PLing, but they're not for everyone (depends on lifting style) and they're not even for every lift.
-Ryan
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Post by dbunch on Nov 22, 2012 7:48:30 GMT -5
Well put Ryan, I agree completely. I will say that Olympic shoes are not cheap but given all the other training gear over the years I’ve purchased and then threw in a drawer after using it 2 or 3 times, the Olympic shoes are a much better investment. Also, a good pair of Olympic shoes will last forever, just like the chucks.
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Post by zekester on Nov 22, 2012 8:03:24 GMT -5
Im going to try flat shoes for all 3 lifts and see how it works...Wont have to change shoes at a meet then!
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Post by timski on Mar 12, 2013 10:58:23 GMT -5
Sorry for the bump;
Have you guys ever tried DLing in Vibram Five Fingers or any other minimalist-type shoes? I'm a huge fan.
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Post by Ryan on Mar 12, 2013 11:05:15 GMT -5
Sorry for the bump; Have you guys ever tried DLing in Vibram Five Fingers or any other minimalist-type shoes? I'm a huge fan. Did you just try these after having pulled before in reg flat soled shoes or slippers? I'm trying to understand the benefit of DLing in the type of shoe you refer to when it seems to fall somewhere between a slipper and regular flat shoe. Just curious.
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Post by dbunch on Mar 12, 2013 20:32:43 GMT -5
LoL – I’m not sure you can get more minimalist than slippers except for barefoot – unless I’m missing something and I very well could be do the vibrum five fingers offer something that the slippers don’t on the deadlift?
As for the bench and squat I do get a little benefit out of the raised heal of the Olympic shoe. But I think a lot of that just depends on the style of lifting you do.
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Post by timski on Mar 15, 2013 12:09:11 GMT -5
The only other shoes I have DLed in before were Chucks. I just don't like the way they fit.
I feel like my feet are a lot stronger with Vibrams. I've broken my right foot, crushed both of my arches, and torn apart my right ankle so I'm trying to look out for long-term health here as well.
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Post by zekester on Mar 15, 2013 12:41:30 GMT -5
Ive recently noticed, for bench pressing, {for me}, it can depend on the height of the bench...At work the flat bench is 16 inches high and I feel I get better leg drive with my flat shoes...At home my bench is 17 1/2 inches high and I get better with a heeled shoe...
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Post by George on Mar 15, 2013 23:59:02 GMT -5
Zekester: That seems to follow ryandelmans thinking...the higher the bench the more beneficial that heel in the arch.
His post gave me analytical food for thought! The "ifs" didnt apply, and Chucks are my preffered, but his post will resonate the next time someone asks me that question!
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Post by mikefrost on Mar 16, 2013 18:15:47 GMT -5
I lift in the Addidas Response Wrestling shoes, they were 50ish online at Sport Chek. They look great and are good for pulling and benching.
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Post by animalnoll on Apr 2, 2013 10:36:28 GMT -5
I am new and probably have a LOT to learn, but I have been lifting in the Vibram five fingers for a while now and i feel like I am in my bare feet, I love them. Is there any regulation against wearing them in competition or are they good to go?
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Post by 3speed on Apr 2, 2013 11:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by animalnoll on Apr 2, 2013 11:24:20 GMT -5
thanks, 3speed!
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Post by dbunch on Apr 2, 2013 11:55:03 GMT -5
The rules don’t specifically restrict them but it does not specifically approve them either so I would contact the meet director ahead of time to get his call on the issue in advance of the meet. I really don’t see why anyone would disallow there use but I would hate to be told the day of the meet that you can’t use them and not have a plan "b". I may just be being overcautious but …. better safe than sorry. I was recently at a meet during the rule meeting that said that you could not use a rolling start on the deadlift, even though it does not specifically disallow in the rules it was the meet directors call.
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Post by 3speed on Apr 2, 2013 15:35:29 GMT -5
Not trying to argue dbunch, but the meet director does not get to make that call. If his meet is sanctioned by 100% RAW, he has to abide by the rules as written. If he could not show you where the rolling start is specifically prohibited, he had to allow it. The rules state in seveal places that in case of any doubt, the ruling is to favor the lifter. I would have called the director on it and argued the point if I had to.
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Post by dbunch on Apr 2, 2013 16:23:46 GMT -5
Thanks! that is actually good infromation to have. I don't use a rolling start so it didn't even cross my mind at the time to question it at the time, but it did stuck with me enough to go look for it later and I couldn't find anything in the rulwes that prohibited it.
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Post by scottmitchell74 on May 28, 2013 15:03:21 GMT -5
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Post by bighawgfsu on Nov 21, 2013 5:50:11 GMT -5
Zekester: That seems to follow ryandelmans thinking...the higher the bench the more beneficial that heel in the arch. His post gave me analytical food for thought! The "ifs" didnt apply, and Chucks are my preffered, but his post will resonate the next time someone asks me that question! Good morning all/George, I see you say you will be attending the police and fire games in Northern United States...are you police or fire?
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