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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 2, 2009 10:11:50 GMT -5
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Post by 3speed on Aug 2, 2009 11:50:35 GMT -5
Great pull Rich. Great job of staying with it and pulling until it was locked.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 5:38:54 GMT -5
Rich, you walk around like you have been through the saw mill, then you pull 450. Your not fooling anybody. GREAT LIFT!!!!! Stay with it. Hit 500. I'm rootin for ya.
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Post by scottmitchell74 on Aug 3, 2009 8:53:47 GMT -5
Fantastic and inspiring!
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Post by DJ on Aug 3, 2009 10:09:21 GMT -5
Very impressive, with no belt nonetheless. Great pull.
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 3, 2009 22:42:41 GMT -5
Through the saw mill; that bad, huh? Blackstone is on to me. I walk like that to psych out all that stiff competition in the 65 y/o group. It’s my rope-a-dope strategy. Or maybe it’s my sciatica?
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Post by chancey on Aug 7, 2009 8:03:10 GMT -5
Way to channel the crabiness you old crab!
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 7, 2009 10:27:40 GMT -5
Just a note of caution, probably unnecessary, to most of you deadlifters. As happy as I was to get that 450 up, I almost lost it because of stupidity. I got 1 red light on the lift. I thought that it might be because the bar was moving up so slowly and my legs were shaking so much (I’m surprised that it doesn’t show on the video) that it might look like I was hitching. The weight got easy up high toward the very end of the lift; I had control, and probably could have could have stood there with it quite a while. But I didn’t concentrate on standing erect. I’d like to think it was an optical illusion because of my massive front delts, but the judge had a point. It wasn’t that I couldn’t stand more erect, I just wasn’t thinking about it. Even though you don’t have to pull your shoulders back, and many judges warn about pulling back so much that your knees don’t lock, you still can’t stand there like a hunchback like I did. Think, focus, concentrate, and don’t celebrate until it’s over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2009 13:08:08 GMT -5
Through the saw mill; that bad, huh? Blackstone is on to me. I walk like that to psych out all that stiff competition in the 65 y/o group. It’s my rope-a-dope strategy. Or maybe it’s my sciatica? What ever it is. IT WORKS!!! Just watched the video again. WOW!!!!!
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 7, 2009 15:26:52 GMT -5
Hey, I just found out that the weight was not a measly 450 pounds; it was 450.69. Meet was basically pounds, but 25K plates were used as 55#, and they're actually 55.115# each. No wonder it was a struggle!
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Post by lysimacus on Aug 7, 2009 16:40:18 GMT -5
Now I know what I want to be when I grow up. Good Googly Moogly!
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Post by johnolexa on Aug 14, 2009 20:11:35 GMT -5
Awesome lift Rich! you did us southpaws proud! We all know leftys are stronger ;D
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 21, 2009 9:58:31 GMT -5
Actually, I'm right-handed. Do most lifters grip overhand on their dominant sides?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2009 23:33:15 GMT -5
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Post by quadancer on Aug 28, 2009 20:21:21 GMT -5
Very inspiring. New to PL'ing at large, I brought my 425 up to 460 in 16 wks with Ricky Crain's Extreme Deadlift Routine. Of course, in a way, that was noob gains since I'd never maxed out much before, and this was weekly. I'm 56 this month. Your squat was great too.
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 30, 2009 21:40:16 GMT -5
Sunday, thanks for the Gillingham link. Trying to read about the routines of other people has always given me a headache. It always makes me wonder whether (1) ANYTHING works if you put enough effort into it, or (2) everyone is so different that they all respond to different things.
The one thing about his training that I share is that we do very few sets of deadlifts every other week. He alternates with high pulls, and I alternate with stiff-legged deadlifts. When I fail with a deadlift it’s usually low, so I see no reason to emphasize exercises to improve the higher positions.
Other than the stiff-legs, I do virtually no assistance exercises. I do only basic back and bicep (more like bodybuilding stuff) exercises once a week. That includes shrugs, which I suppose is assistance for deadlifts, but no high pulls, power cleans, etc. For me, the main assistance exercise for deadlifts is the squat, because the deadlift is basically not much more than a half-squat, especially for a back squatter like me. Since I squat hard twice a week, I don’t need a lot of deadlift training. I have never attempted more than a single rep with 405 in the gym; every deadlift I have ever done over 405 has been in competition. There are 2 reasons for this: (1) I deadlift the day after squatting, so I’m already fatigued. (2) I deadlift with a thick (rigid) bar. smaller diameter plates, and Converse All Stars. All 3 (or 4) of these factors puts me higher than I am in competition wearing slippers. I’m not generally in favor of lifting differently in training than in competition, but I use the gym equipment, wear my regular shoes, and it seems to work out OK.
On deadlift day, I do 2 warm-up sets, 2 work sets, and 1 single rep; e.g., 135 x 8, 225 x 8, 310 x 10, 365 x 6, 405 x 1. That’s it! That’s all I do that day. The 2 work sets are done to failure; I don’t stop until the weight stops me. If I can get the 405 after the 2 other hard sets, I’m confident opening w/ 425.
I posted my overall program on here several months ago. In Masters Area, Shorter workouts for older lifters??? I have been getting more and more away from all assistance exercises. As seen above, on deadlift day, I deadlift only; just a couple of hard sets. On squat day, I squat only, maybe adding some calf raises and crunches.
Egad, is anyone reading this? It seems horribly boring.
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Post by RichHutchison on Aug 30, 2009 21:47:06 GMT -5
Thanks, quadancer. I did my first squats and deadlifts when I was a youngster of your age. Well, I did squat 225 once in my early 20s on a dare, so it was actually my 2nd rep at age 56.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2009 23:02:07 GMT -5
Rich, Been offline. Sounds like your doing something we do, but with a different setup. We stand on an elevated platform, and pull. (Off a block that is approx. 3" in height.) Helps with "out of the hole". Our reason for the rack pulls was to get past the knees. I was having the same problem with the shacking legs, and when I incorporated the rack pulls it slowly went away. It got me use to overloading with heavy weight, and built up my grip while standing in the upright stance waiting for the down signal. Suit lifters I know use a lot of rack pulls, as the suit gives them that spring out of the hole, so they are already moving when they get to the knees. The reason I do rack pulls (raw) however is that I'm older, and getting use to the change in blood pressure, as well as the reasons I previously mentioned is my main reason for rack pulls. (It seems the older I get, the thinner the air is when I pull a large lift. ) I do deadlifts once a week, and go off the floor until I can't. (225 X 10, 315 X 6, 405 X 3, and 455 or whatever I can for a single.) I then sometimes lower the weight and do 2X or 3X of 420.) I then go to rack pulls about 13" above the floor and do 500 for a single or a double. I finish off pulling from the block at 385 X 2 or 3. The main thing I've had to teach myself is when to stop. I'll always feel like I can go on, but I have learned that knowing when to stop is very important. After about 1 1/2 hours after my workout, my body starts to advise me if I've overdone it. Rich, one question I have for you (or anyone) is how well bands work? Has anyone on this site used them? Bob Gaynor and other master lifters are using them, and seem to like them. I'm trying to change things up, as the same routine gets me stuck at the same total. (I'm at 465-470 at 181 age 56) The problem I'm seeing with bands is they don't appear to be designed for "out of the hole" movements. The block seems to be the only thing that helps improve "out of the hole", which is important for most RAW lifters. (Unlike someone in a suit.) The one thing I found interesting with Brads routine was the power cleans, as they were designed to build speed "out of the hole" when done right. If you know, or heard of any "out of the hole" routines that don't involve the block or power cleans, could you pass it on as most of us raw lifters get stuck getting it started off the floor. So far the only two things I've found have been the block, and power cleans. (Also: Does shug work help the beginning of the pull? I was always told to stay away from shugs, as you are not pulling past where you would be holding the weight when your standing upright and locked out. Would be interested if it helped you with the beginning of the pull.) Sunday
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Post by RichHutchison on Sept 10, 2009 21:34:27 GMT -5
I can see where suited lifters would not need to emphasize the out of the hole phase of the deadlift, since the suit does part of that for them. You’re asking the wrong person about bands. I’ve never been near a band or a chain. And you do much more in the way of assistance exercises than I do. I’ve tried to explain my logic on assistance before with little success, but I’ll give it another shot. If you have a weak point in an exercise, at what part of the exercise do you think you’re working hardest? I would say you work hardest at your weak points. So that means to me that you’re already emphasizing the weak points when you go through a normal full range of motion. If you do full ROM reps to failure, you’re exhausting yourself at precisely your weak point. So I don’t think you can do any better than that. I can see how a high pull could help your deadlift, but I don’t see how a high pull would help your deadlift more than another deadlift would. I do shrugs (with a Smith machine) and they might be somewhat helpful for the deadlift, but I do them more for general conditioning and to keep my body beautiful. So the assistance I do for deadlifts consists entirely of stiff legged deadlifts (standing on a box), shrugs, and squat, squats, squats. Adding my usual disclaimer, I have no background in exercise science, have had very little coaching of any kind, and have always simply done what seems natural to me. As I mentioned a while ago to uncleal, who seems to have disappeared from this forum, I’m beginning to think that the secret to deadlifting is to crush disks and vertebrae. I think my deadlift has gone up in linear inverse proportion to my height over the past 12 years or so.
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Post by quadancer on Sept 12, 2009 2:59:24 GMT -5
Crushed discs to lower the stance; gotcha. PL's will do anything to get an edge... :-)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 21:58:09 GMT -5
Had a chance to work with bands today. (Trying to avoid the crush disk routine.) It was interesting, and did change things up. Took some getting use to. Not sure yet what it will do. I'm also going to try deadlift, deadlift, deadlift, deadlift.............as I was cutting back on reps, and a starting to go more on a single for my max every week. (Which I'm not sure was helping.) I think I'll go back to reps, and may max out with a single once a month. Pulling 455 once a week for now over 1 1/2 years has got me stale. As far as this forum goes - Very Nice. Good Luck in the future, Sunday
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Post by crazy on Jan 21, 2011 10:02:03 GMT -5
Have you ever had shoulder problems related to heavy mp or dumbell presses? At this point, I have practically elliminated my heavy shoulder work.
Do you compete full power?
When did you start PL?
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Post by chancey on Jan 21, 2011 19:29:15 GMT -5
Crazy, you may want to start a new thread on the pressing question. You may get better responses.
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Post by crazy on Jan 24, 2011 10:48:57 GMT -5
Good Idea! thanks.
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