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Post by johnolexa on May 3, 2009 20:04:31 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2009 10:24:19 GMT -5
THANK YOU!!! This is huge. You have done a great service to the lifting world. I hope you don't mind. I'm going to post the sight on my blog. The more we all know the better. |
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Post by johnolexa on May 4, 2009 15:12:52 GMT -5
No Problem! I know this is a pretty popular Supplement. Even thought about trying it myself a few months ago, but decided all I had to do was eat less (clean) & move more  |
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Post by George on May 9, 2009 15:52:15 GMT -5
How long was the product out?....Fifteen, twenty years or more?
I used it in high school when cutting for wrestling in the nineties. It's always interesting to notice labels of products that "are not endorsed by the FDA" yet the FDA ends up derailing them several years after they are marketed. What a system we have...an administration sought to oversee ingestible food and drugs that keeps a hand off of these items claims that may or may not be dangerous. That is if the products are any more dangerous than say pesticide loaded fruits, etc. If the FDA is quick to cover they do not endorse the scientific merit of ingredients, then they should have more control over the production of things that have grey areas.
I have sampled and tried almost every supplement that came about. From Ultamite orange, hydroxycut, ripped fuel, creatine, amino acids, glutamine and hundreds more I cannot remember mostly handed out at the Arnold classic or passed on to me from guys who quit lifting. All I can say is I have continued to make strength jumps throughout my life, on or off of these supplements with the most subtle of differences. The biggest differences I noticed were during times when I clamped down on my actual diet and balanced myself with appropriate and good food choices. There are "studies" that claim effectiveness and those who vouch for a product, and I understand there are benefits. But in weighing the cost versus the gain, I cannot bring myself to spend another dime on these supplements based on my past experiences. In my mind if a supplement is able to provide extra support, say a 10% increase in recovery, a percentage of strength, endurance...whatever....than all it is really doing is providing me something I will eventually get on my own anyways. I doubt anyone is at a pinnacle of thier performance when the only way they can possibly improve any more is through a supplement.
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Post by dbunch on May 13, 2009 9:17:08 GMT -5
Gravisferrum mentioned something that made me think.
“It's always interesting to notice labels of products that "are not endorsed by the FDA" yet the FDA ends up derailing them several years after they are marketed”
Are there any supplements that are indorsed by the FDA? Every weight loss drug I have ever seen includes this statement in some form or another “With proper diet and exercise + our wonder drug, you will lose weight”. Imagine that, with proper diet and exercise you will lose weight. The other statement they include is “results may vary” in other words not everyone will get to become the Adonis in the commercial. Sorry not our fault if you have bad genes.
I think supplements are the basically the same. I don’t think the average Joe gets anything out of supplements they could not get from a balanced diet. Today I’m just a multi-vitamin guy but in my youth, at one point I was taking over 50 pills, drops, and powered drinks to supplement my diet. In hind sight the change I can attribute to taking so many supplements is that my pee would glow in the dark back then.
This may not be the case for athletes, and by Athletes I mean the top 0.1% of the population who are pushing their bodies to the extreme. Where their metabolisms as so high that they’ve basically turned their bodies blast furnaces that burns up everything in an instant. I’m no molecular biologist so these are just my personal thought and observations no basic in scientific studies.
On a lighter note, the one thing that I found that does tend to increase my lift by 10% and extend my workout by 50% is when there is a cute little girl in the gym who make some comment on how much I’m lifting or how strong I am.
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Post by George on May 13, 2009 21:49:55 GMT -5
Dbunch: From what I understand, the FDA is intended to play an after market role in product safety, while other measures are allegedly taken to ensure pre market safety. The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act shifted the responsibility of premarket safety to the product maker. Check out this link: www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/ds-oview.html#regulateMy comment is not meant to blame the FDA directly, but is more a commentary on how the system works the way it is. I don't have the time right now to give this the attention it deserves research wise, but if anyone else has a good explanation on why the above act exists and it is better to analize claims post market let me know. Recently there seems to have been a lot of backlash on supplement products, even multivitamins. If there is a way to detect danger or falshoods post market why can't these tests be performed pre market? You know...before people have renal failure, cancer, etc. and waste wheelbarrels full of money. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 22:08:51 GMT -5
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