Records question

[lapadat]

In the 181 pound weight class, the record for the curl is listed right now as 142 pound by Mark Wilhelm set in June.

I bested that in August in Vermont with a 143.5 pound curl.

Upon further investigation though, I see John Self had actually curled 145 pounds a couple weeks ealier than Mark did his 142 this June. So John's lift had been done, but was over looked and Mark's lift went down as a record.

Now this may be because John Self did his lift in an event that World records cannot be set, does any one know? If this is so than I am still the record holder. If it was an oversight by record keeping than I wish I knew the record was 145 cause I had it in me to top that.

To further make things complicated, Anthony Bannerman is credited with doing a 160 pound curl at the Nationals in 2007, and I am pretty sure that new curl rules were in place for that event (every one was talking about those Nationals with the new rule). But that lift by Anthony is not in the records.

So I guess I am confused as to who really holds the World record in my weight class for curls.

If the records are right than I should be the current record holder in the 181 class when they are updated. but if they are not correct, I'd like to know who has the title?

I know I might be taking away my own World record with this, but I don't want it if its not real.

Can any one help me out with this?

Thanks!

[firwood]

I do not know when the new curl rules went into effect and I am not sure of what the old rules were. What I do know is that some of the records set in early 2007 are very impressive. If these records were set with the current rules, then I can tell you that record weights curled prior to Aug 2007 in many instances exceed the strict curl records in other assoc. that are not ' back against the wall "

[lapadat]

I know the curl rule came into effect in mid 2007, so likely those early 2007 records are from the old rules.

How do you think our arm curlers match up to other organizations? What other organizations have the curl? NASA and World Natural Powerlifting right? Do you think we can out curl them?

[firwood]

If you are correct, and the new curl rules started in Mid 2007 then the "Curl Records" are not up to date and they are not accurate.
From my training and experience I can tell you that most lifters will curl a full 20% less if they keep the back and butt up against a wall as compared to a free standing strict curl....
In reality these are two different lifts and are difficult to compare.

[lapadat]

the curl records have the dates beside them when they were set. The one I broke was set this june, just two month ago.

Does not clear up how some one two weeks before that record was set had curled more weight (may be not a sanctioned 3 event). Or if the nationals of 2007 were under the new rules or old. All look to be under the new rule except Anthony Bannerman's curl of 160 (that is not listed in the records, but certainly would be a record). And his curl that is in the new records is 20 pounds less...which falls in line more with the new curl rules.

Can any one clear this up? Who handles the curl records?

[timhenriques]

I was at Nationals 07 and I can tell you all the Curls were done up against the wall, it actually caused some issues because that was the first time for a lot of people to do so and they didn't know what weights to used and many underestimated the drop off from standing to the weights. I don't have a 20% drop as indicated above but about a 10-12% drop, still very significant.

The guy at 181 probably did not know he was going to for a record because the record used to be 180 when it was standing and initially they were just going to keep those records. So he probably didn't submit his number as a record but it sounds like his 160 up against the wall is the best so far in that weight class unless there are other numbers we are not aware of. 160 at 181 sounds about right for the record.

[lapadat]

How does someone apply for a record?

I don't see any link on this site, and no one said at the meet. Who takes care of records? And do they fact check to make sure it is actually a record? I ask because the current record of 142 is not even close to the 160 lifted at the nationals the year before.

And it not like the Nationals is a small meet either. I am wondering how this could have happened, or if there is a reason we do not know about for all of this.

Can any one who is resposible for the records may be clear this up. I really want to know. Because I may or may not have a record. It is a big deal to me!

Thanks in advance for any one who can help!

[ronvt]

See my post in powerlifting forum.