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Post by donaldmannion on Dec 7, 2006 21:32:33 GMT -5
I am just curious how many people do power cleans? I have been doing them off and on since high school almost 18 years ago.
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Post by rickhussey on Dec 11, 2006 16:35:10 GMT -5
I used to do them when I was wanting a bigger clean and pushpress.
Do you think there's any benefit to doing them for the deadlift? Some say it has helped their speed off the floor. Others say it is useless.... I am curious if others use them at all as well. And why.
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Post by thomas on Dec 11, 2006 20:19:05 GMT -5
I use a veriation called high pulls. I have found great benifits for over all back strength. I use a sumo stance and i feel it gets me off the floor better. It helps train my body to control the weight all the way through the lift. In a west side article Louie talks about training muscle groups together instead of concentraiting on just one muscle at a time. Hight pulls works it all.
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Post by donaldmannion on Dec 13, 2006 4:32:12 GMT -5
I love doing them because they do such a great job working the traps and overall upper back. Working the traps and back will help you so much in the bench. I usually start with should shrugs going up to about 455 pounds. Then I do my power cleams starting at 225 and because I did so heavy in the shrugs it feels light. The next day I usually have some sore traps but I love it.
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Post by dopar66 on Dec 13, 2006 11:04:12 GMT -5
I hate them. It's a highly dynamic lift with three separate phases and a lot of opportunities for injury.
As far as an exercise, I can't speak to their benefits because I've pretty much eliminated them from my workouts.
Just my two cents!
God Bless.
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Post by chancey on Dec 13, 2006 17:45:08 GMT -5
The injury aspect is what keeps me from doing these as well but you no doubt would be one rugged individual if you did these on a regular basis and I am sure there would be great carry over to the Deads (speed aspect). I have a strongman friend who does this type of crazy stuff and he's one big guy.
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Post by donaldmannion on Dec 13, 2006 19:26:04 GMT -5
I don't think this exercise is necessarily for just the big people, I compete at 165. I honestly have never got injured in the last 18 years of doing this exercise but I can understand if that is a reason why some one might not want to do these. As far as carrying over to the dead lift, I hate doing dead lifts. I guess I hate them because I am not that good at them but if I did them regularly I probably would like them.
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Post by chancey on Dec 13, 2006 19:48:46 GMT -5
I did not mean to imply that this is only for big people I am just saying that this type of training, olympic style & so on, has put quality mass on my friend.
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Post by dopar66 on Dec 13, 2006 20:26:30 GMT -5
Hey, Donald. When I was strength coach at a local high school I saw several (probably a half dozen or so) injuries from powercleans, fortunately most were minor. To be completely fair, I saw far more injuries from guys trying to overdo it on the trap bar deadlift. I just see so much bad form on powercleans, and with all the dynamics and momentum involved, it makes me cringe......
So back to your point, yes, definitely great upper back work, when done with good form (sorry had to throw that in).
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God Bless.
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Post by donaldmannion on Dec 14, 2006 18:15:36 GMT -5
You are correct if done with correct form this is a great exercise but done wrong you are hating life.
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Post by jp on Dec 23, 2006 13:58:34 GMT -5
I started training as an Olympic lifter, so for me, they were a necessity. I used to do a routine involving a "progressive group of pulls" such as power cleans (snatch), into a high pull, then deadlift, then shrug, then rows.....that'll teach anyone the meaning of "back work". Each of these progressive pulls rouintes were done with both a snatch and clean grip.
Power cleans are just an explosive type movement that requires speed, agility and timing....I don't know if they have any carry over effect to the deadlift, since the power clean is dynamic and the deadlift is not.
For assistance off the floor, for the deadlift, I simply deadlift on some plates for a few sets of 3's....for me, that builds starting power from the floor.
And, just to offer my two cents, most of the injuries I've seen from doing power cleans are because the movement is done incorrectly.
The bar is supposed to be pulled straight up, not swung out, like I see sometimes. You need to get up on your toes with the pull and use your traps. At the point where your traps can't pull any higher and your arms start to break, is when you need to turn the wrists over and force your elbows straight out, while catching the weight on your clavicles and bending your knees to receive it.
There's much more to the power clean than just ripping the bar off the floor.....=)
And, at 165, like Don here, actually I think the smaller guys do better with Olympic lifts.....but hey, I'm biased I guess toward the smaller lifter....=)
JP
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Post by biglifter on Dec 23, 2006 19:05:37 GMT -5
I would be very curious to see how any PL'ers on this forum incorporate olympic lifts into their training. I can certainly see the potential for building explosive power, but right now I'm in ain't-broke-don't-fix it mode. Also, would you get that much greater value (versus risk) doing olympic lifts as you would just having dynamic training days using SQ, BP, DL?
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Post by jp on Dec 23, 2006 21:45:38 GMT -5
Actually, when I did Olympic lifting, I sued the power lifts to assist....but I wouldn't think there'd be much carryover doing it the opposite way....here's why;
we all know squats can be helpful in all realms of sports. Back and front squats helped me with my Olympic lifting.
deadlifts helped merely from the point of view that when doing conventional style, over grip deadlifts it helped the clean. I obviously couldn't clean what I could deadlift, so using heavy weights in the deadlift made power and squat cleans feel very light.
although Olympic lifters generally don't use the bench press, having strength in the chest area is good for injury prevention and general shoulder and chest strenght. That said, benching is a good assistance exercise for the press and the jerk.
The great Tommy Kono used close grip benching to build his triceps for the Olympic press.....
Olympic assistance exercises like high pulls, push presses and squats can be of help. I use the movements once in awhile more for variety sake than anything else.
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Post by biglifter on Dec 23, 2006 22:55:30 GMT -5
Actually, when I did Olympic lifting, I sued the power lifts Makes good sense and all are great points. But why did you have to sue the power lifts? I've thought about filing a lawsuit against them also for inflicting pain and suffering ;D That was by far the best typo I've ever seen! |
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Post by biglifter on Dec 23, 2006 23:15:53 GMT -5
As if I couldn't like this forum any more, all my fellow 165'ers are taking over! Awesome  |
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Post by jp on Dec 24, 2006 1:29:10 GMT -5
Actually, when I did Olympic lifting, I sued the power lifts Makes good sense and all are great points. But why did you have to sue the power lifts? I've thought about filing a lawsuit against them also for inflicting pain and suffering ;D That was by far the best typo I've ever seen! Did I mention I was kinda ham fisted?....LOL!! woops!! |
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Post by jp on Dec 24, 2006 1:30:17 GMT -5
As if I couldn't like this forum any more, all my fellow 165'ers are taking over! Awesome Us little guys gotta hang tight.....otherwise the "bigguns" will run over us.....LOL!!! |
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