Has any one tried Waxy Maize Starch?

[joverfield]

I was thinking about adding this to my post workout protein shakes, but have seen conflicting reports on whether this works or not.

[benchfreak]

i've tried waxy maize, didn't really go that consistant with it but i didn't feel a change when taking it after my workout at all. you have to take it with 700ml of water and not suppose to take it with protien i think. so it's hard to take that, then protien both after your workout.

[DJ]

I use dextrose but waxy maize is very good too. I mix it with protein, creatine and HMB for my post-workout drink. Very important for that post-workout nutrition.

[joverfield]

Aug 10, 2009 10:53:42 GMT -5 DJ said:

I use dextrose but waxy maize is very good too. I mix it with protein, creatine and HMB for my post-workout drink. Very important for that post-workout nutrition.

I'm already doing the protein and HMB, but I'm missing the carbs post-workout. Would dextrose be a better choice than waxy maize?

[DJ]

I wouldn't say a "better" choice, but a sufficient choice. I buy dextrose because I can get it easy and is only $5 for 4lbs.
It lasts quite awhile.
Some guys I work out with use waxy, it is just a preference.
If you are doing the protein and HMB, you are right, you definitely need the fast acting carbs in there.

[joverfield]

How many carbs should I aim for in my post workout shake?

[DJ]

I would take in between 50g-60g.

[joverfield]

Thanks for the advice.

[joverfield]

Would just using plain sugar be okay, or is this a bad carb to use. I notice nobody uses this even though it is fast acting.

[DJ]

Kind of a lengthy read I found but basically dextrose gets in your system quicker(doesn't need to break down like table sugar).


Carbohydrates: Simple vs. Complex

What Are Carbohydrates?
Carbohydrates are combinations of carbon (C), hydrogen (H) and oxygen (O). The basic formula: CnH2nOn. All carbohydrates are made up of one or more molecules of simple sugars. They are classified by structure:

Monosaccharides or one-molecule sugars. Those commonly found in food are:

glucose (dextrose or blood sugar)
fructose (levulose or fruit sugar)
galactose (occurs mainly in milk)
Disaccharides are two monosaccharides linked together. Those common to food always contain at least one glucose molecule.

sucrose (table sugar) = glucose + fructose
lactose (milk sugar) = glucose + galactose
maltose (malt sugar) = glucose + glucose

Polysaccharides (complex carbohydrates) are made up of simple sugars (monosaccharides) or their derivatives linked together in different ways. Those found in food include:

starch - made up of several hundred glucose units joined together.
dietary fiber - consists of glucose, galactose or other monosaccharides linked together in such manners that the long chains are indigestible.

Energy From Carbohydrates
To utilize carbohydrates for energy, your body converts them to glucose. Carbohydrates--from sugars, fruits, vegetables or grains--follow a similar route in the process of digestion. Monosaccharides are absorbed and carried unchanged to the liver before distribution throughout the body. Disaccharides and the more complex starches are broken into their simple sugar constituent parts, then routed to the liver.

Sucrose, for example is broken down in the intestine to its components, glucose and fructose. These two sugars are absorbed into the bloodstream and carried directly to the liver. Some fructose is converted into glucose in the liver before it is returned to the blood for use as energy.

If the glucose is not needed right away to meet energy needs, it is converted preferentially to glycogen, the starch-like compound that is the energy reserve of human metabolism. Glycogen can be converted back to glucose when the body needs energy. Once the body's glycogen reserves are filled, any remaining glucose and fructose become involved in the metabolism of dietary fats and their physiological products.

All carbohydrate foods, such as potatoes, broccoli, apples, grapes, sugar, honey, have the same ultimate destination: they become glucose, fuel for the body.

Carbohydrates: Simple vs. Complex
In recent years, nutrition scientists have reexamined traditional views about the physiological differences between "simple" and "complex" carbohydrates. The old view was that any simple carbohydrate raised blood sugar levels very quickly because it was metabolized rapidly, while any complex carbohydrate caused a slower and more moderate rise in blood sugar.

However, research on the "glycemic index of foods" shows no defined nutritional difference between simple and complex carbohydrates. Some simple sugars cause a slow, moderate rise in blood sugar levels; some complex carbohydrates cause a rapid rise. Table sugar has a moderate effect on blood sugar--about the same as potatoes and less than bread or rice. This new knowledge has led to a better understanding of carbohydrate's role in nutrition and to increased flexibility in meal planning for people with diabetes. Carbohydrates provide the most easily accessible energy source for your body. The other main sources of energy are protein and fats. However, carbohydrates are efficiently converted into glucose which will be used for energy. Glucose is used directly by your muscles and brain. Excess glucose is stored as glycogen in your muscles. Where a supply of glucose is not available, your muscles will burn fat as a source of energy.


By being converted into glucose, levels of carbohydrates will affect your blood sugar levels. Your blood sugar levels are important because your brain uses glucose from your blood. This explains why people often get depressed and down beat whilst on diets. Your blood sugar levels are not something that should be neglected!

Carbohydrates come in two forms: Simple carbohydrates and complex carbohydrates. Simple carbohydrates contain naturally occurring sugars, such as those found in fruit (fructose) for example. The sugars that make up simple carbohydrates also include table sugar (sucrose) and a variety of syrups.

Because simple carbohydrates are already simple sugars they can rapidly be converted into glucose and enter the bloodstream very soon after consumption. This where the term "sugar fix" comes from. After drinking a sugary cup of tea, for example, you may notice a sudden release of energy and an accompanying lift in your mood. However, have too much and your body will produce insulin to counteract the effect and, depending on how much sugar you've ingested, this will likely result in a rapid drop in blood sugar level and leave you feeling more tired than before!

So what are complex carbohydrates then? Complex carbohydrates are present in most grain products, vegetables and potatoes. Unlike simple carbohydrates, complex carbs are digested at a much slower rate. As a result of this, the conversion to glucose also happens at a slower rate and your blood sugar levels will not fluctuate as rapidly as they do when digesting simple carbohydrates.

Many people will try and avoid all types of carbohydrates where possible, particularly when on weight loss diets. This is not a good idea. Carbohydrates in general are not normally a problem. It's the quality of carbohydrates that should be taken into account. Highly processed foods should be avoided. This is because they normally contain a higher proportion of simple carbohydrates. For example, whole grain bread (complex carbs) should be eaten instead of white bread which uses refined white flour (simple carbs).

Complex carbohydrates are often also lower in fat and provide higher amounts of other essential nutrients like dietary fiber. It is for the above reasons that a diet of complex carbohydrates is preferable.

[joverfield]

That was a lengthy read, but it really helps. Thank you.

[DJ]

haha
Yeah, sorry about that but I figured you could skim through there and get the idea.

[joverfield]

What do you think of the product Perfect Carb by LG Sciences? It is a combination of carb sources. I was thinking of switching to this after my Glyco-Maize runs out.

[James Gentry]

I just started using a supplement called Karbolyn. I have only used it twice so far. Both times I used it was on heavy bench night. The very first night I benched 495 touch and go and that was a 10lb PR for me. I normally pause all my work sets but that night we switched it up a little and PR was based on touch and go benching. The second bench session I did raw reverse green band benching and end up with 600lbs for another PR.
It may be all placebo effect but I'll take it. You can read both workouts in my training log on the board. Karbolyn can be used pre and post workout. Give it a shot. I was skeptical but so far I would have to say this is one supplement worth trying.

[joverfield]

This looks like a good carb source, but it seems a little pricey. I don't know if I would want to spend this much on a carb supplement, but I will have to give it some thought. Did you change to any other supplements other than this one that could be contributing to the gains as well?

[James Gentry]

Karbolyn is the only change. Like I said it could all be in my mind/placebo effect, but I'll take it. It is kind of pricey for carbs but $40 bucks for a 10lb pr isn't to bad I guess.