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Post by playmaker on May 13, 2008 9:08:04 GMT -5
The 2 OTC prohormones have been the talk of the town up here, you can get them at most nutrition stores (not-GNC or Vit Shoppe). Oddly looking at the WADA Banned list, these products have banned substances in them yet they are OTC. Is that the same list of banned substances RAW works off of?
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Post by 3speed on May 13, 2008 12:53:56 GMT -5
Yes, 100% RAW uses the WADA banned list. The vast majority of the prohormones/prosteroids will make you test positive for steroids because of their metabolites.
If the product gives gains that seem too good to be true, they probably are. Be very careful when choosing your supplements. The lifter is ultimately responsible for what he/she puts in their body - if you test positive, you test positive.....no excuses. And some of these manufacturers list a "proprietary blend" on their label or they combine banned ingredients and give the blend a new name. You have to do your research or avoid them altogether.
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Post by toolpod on May 13, 2008 20:39:37 GMT -5
"Oddly looking at the WADA Banned list, these products have banned substances in them yet they are OTC."
Not really..."Banned in sport" is not the same thing as "illegal". Remember that the WADA is not a legislative body, nor does it have any authority to regulate anything. It is a quasi-private rules body that supports organized sports, as such the lists are the legal analog of "gentlemen's agreements" that athletes agree to abide by under private contract.
As such, the lists it makes have no impact on what is manufactured, sold, or consumed. OTC prohormones are perfectly legal so long as they do not contain substances that are banned *by the government*. Given the intricacies of chemistry...this makes things easier for the chemists...small changes in the formula and structure are all that is needed to legally avoid the illegal list.
That being said, 3speed is right...in most cases, any Prohormone worth the cost...like Tren250, or TrenExtreme...will leave some of the same metabolites that the substances that are on the Doping list. Thus they have no way of discriminating between the two, and thus you pop positive. Even at that, prohormone use is certainly also against the spirit of agreeing to restrict oneself to *pre-agreed upon* rules for drug-free competition.
Personally...I don't have a problem with them...but I'll paraphrase from a forum posting I read once from a guy over at the UPA supplement forum talking about TrenExtreme to a newbie asking if he could take it and beat a drug test: (after yelling at him for being a cheater) "This stuff is great...but don't fool yourself...once you take it, you are no longer a drug-free lifter and you shouldn't be competing against guys that aren't on the same playing field".
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Post by 3speed on May 13, 2008 21:07:10 GMT -5
Not really..."Banned in sport" is not the same thing as "illegal". Remember that the WADA is not a legislative body, nor does it have any authority to regulate anything. It is a quasi-private rules body that supports organized sports, as such the lists are the legal analog of "gentlemen's agreements" that athletes agree to abide by under private contract. As such, the lists it makes have no impact on what is manufactured, sold, or consumed. OTC prohormones are perfectly legal so long as they do not contain substances that are banned *by the government*. Given the intricacies of chemistry...this makes things easier for the chemists...small changes in the formula and structure are all that is needed to legally avoid the illegal list. Thank you toolpod - great followup. I should have mentioned the distinction between banned and illegal. Only the prohormones and prosteroids that were specifically listed in the federal ban are "illegal". All of the chemical variations to hit the market since the ban are, technically, legal. However, even though they are legal, they will - most likely - cause you to test positive for steroids. |
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