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Post by ironmaster on Sept 23, 2006 23:39:11 GMT -5
I'm wondering if Tribulus Terrestris is perfectly legal to use within the rules of 100% Raw? Anyone with an answer and anyone that has used it and has an opinion on it's effectiveness I would greatly appreciate your views. Thanks in advance.
Semper Fi
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Post by jimroberts on Sept 24, 2006 8:19:20 GMT -5
Ironmaster, Anything that boosts testesterone may cause you to fail a drug test. The following is posted at the USADA ( http://www.usantidoping.org)website. Go to; www.usantidoping.org/dro to find the USADA's "Drug Reference Online): SUPPLEMENTS Supplements do not appear in the database because USADA is not able to provide a definitive answer as to the status of each product. VITAMINS, MINERALS, HERBS, AMINO ACIDS AND OTHER DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS The Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act (DSHEA) of 1994 specifically exempted vitamins, minerals, amino acids, herbs and botanicals, and their extracts and concentrates from evaluation for safety and efficacy by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). The commonly held belief that the government approves these over-the-counter dietary supplements is incorrect. There is evidence that some products may not contain the ingredients listed on the label in the stated amount, may not contain the ingredients listed at all, or may be contaminated or adulterated with other prohibited substances not listed on the label. A State of California study documented the presence of other toxins such as arsenic and strychnine in herbal products. Anti-doping rules are based on the principal of strict liability (athletes are responsible for what is in their system). Since there are no regulations guaranteeing the actual content of these products, a positive test as the result of the use of any of these products could result in a doping violation. THE USE OF VITAMINS, MINERALS, HERBS, AMINO ACIDS AND OTHER DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS IS COMPLETELY AT THE ATHLETE'S OWN RISK OF COMMITTING A DOPING VIOLATION. ALL athletes are advised to be extremely cautious about the use of any vitamins, minerals, herbs, amino acids and other dietary supplements. No guarantee can be given that any particular supplement, including vitamins and minerals, ergogenic aids, and herbal remedies, is free from prohibited substances. Athletes or sporting bodies who accept sponsorship from supplement manufacturers do so at their own risk. Without an approved quality standard, USADA cannot guarantee the reliability of the manufacturing or labeling process, despite claims made by some manufacturers. Jim (TheMuse)
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Post by ironmaster on Sept 24, 2006 23:10:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the information Jim. I guess the point is since the USDA doesn't regulate Tribulus Terrestris, and there is no telling what could actually be in it, by using it I could be at risk of failing a drug test because it might contain some illegal substance not listed in the ingredients. Therefore, even though I would think I was using a perfectly legal supplement I could still fail a drug test because the supplement may contain an illegal ingredient I was not aware was in the supplement because it was not listed in the ingredients. Thanks again Jim.
Semper Fi
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Post by ironmaster on Sept 24, 2006 23:18:53 GMT -5
Jim, I meant FDA where I said USDA.
Semper Fi
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Post by jimroberts on Sept 25, 2006 7:36:33 GMT -5
Ironmaster, You summerized it well!!!
Are you still on active duty?
Jim (TheMuse)
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Post by dopar66 on Sept 25, 2006 14:58:36 GMT -5
Hey, Ironmaster.
Just a little aside to add to the outstanding info Jim provided.
There are "any time" and "in competition" distinctions. If any supplement is okay for while you're training, but not in a meet, that supplement could stick around in your system long enough to cause a positive test. That's one big reason I don't even use stuff like "tastrius terribulus" in the off season, just to err on the side of caution.
God Bless. Doug P.
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Post by ironmaster on Sept 27, 2006 0:06:46 GMT -5
Jim, Doug, and Shawn, Thanks for your time and input. Much appreciated. No longer on active duty Jim. I'm an old GRUNT now. Safe lifting to you all.
Semper Fi
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Post by 3speed on Sept 27, 2006 11:46:42 GMT -5
I see that DHEA has been mentioned here. Just a word of caution. It goes without saying that no supplement should be taken without first doing some research.
DHEA is not a normal supplement. Please, anyone considering using DHEA, DO YOUR HOMEWORK!! Some people say it is a wonder drug. Some say they got zilch from it. Whatever the case, it can be dangerous if not used correctly.
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Post by sauble on Oct 4, 2006 9:06:52 GMT -5
DHEA I recieved no results just placebo effects.
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Post by isbell on Oct 20, 2006 21:28:20 GMT -5
Just use what works and has been proven. Dont waste your money.
here is what is proven: Protein Creatine vitamins twice a day (we are powerlifters and need more than one a day) Vitamin c fish oils organic milk (this is my own idea and I cant say that it is proven)
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Post by toolpod on Oct 23, 2006 10:42:52 GMT -5
Yeah...I'll add to that...at least for me, the tribulus hasn't done much. I just finished my bottle of T-Bomb2 tribulus sup....end result...very little.
I was hoping that the tribulus would help me get a little agressiion and help me add a couple of pounds (2-5) of lean mass. What I did get:
A couple of pimples. No change in agressiveness or libido I actually *lost* 3-5 pounds ...although it looks like I leaned out rather than lost muscle...but I was already skinny!
That being said, I won't spend another dime on the T-Bomb2...but I will buy more Trac-NO Creatine...that stuff rocks!
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