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Post by jimray on May 11, 2006 6:47:27 GMT -5
(This from the USAPL forum): Posted By: Troy Lehrer (cache-mtc-ac10.proxy.aol.com) Date: Wednesday, 10 May 2006, at 5:44 p.m. Dennis Cieri is offering $500.00 (for travel and training expenses) to anyone who can beat him RAW using the Wilks formula at the Fitness Factory Ironman Bench Press and Record Breakers Competition, Saturday May 20th at the Fitness Factory Health Club (formerely Pro-Fitness) in Rockaway, New Jersey. As the meet director I will allow a late entry to anyone who wants a shot at Dennis' money!! I can assure you that Dennis will have the money on him at the meet. Understand though, you may have to pry it out of his clenched fist if you do beat him (JK)!!! Go to the New Jersey website below and fill out an entry form, send it in ASAP. Please, someone take Dennis' money!!!!! www.njpowerlifting.com |
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Post by toolpod on May 11, 2006 9:59:02 GMT -5
Sweet! Cieri is the man to beat..I aspire to that kind of performance. I think his $500 is pretty safe though...he turned in a competition press of 500 raw in the 198's I beleive not too long ago.
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Post by dopar66 on May 11, 2006 10:04:49 GMT -5
That $500 will be safe for a while. I know his pound-for-pound is a jaw dropping 8.25+ I don't know his Wilks, but I do know he's the guy to beat right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2006 10:06:32 GMT -5
wow, this guy is confident...i like that. most guys would be a==holes and arrogant about their success. i would love to take him on but i am to fat and to weak...lol
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Post by bossman on May 11, 2006 10:09:19 GMT -5
Will "Chill" LYNCH WILL GIVE DENNIS A RUN FOR THE MONEY. WILL DID A 485 AT 181LBS AT THE INTERNATIONAL CUP ON FEB 11TH. WILL BARELY MISSED 500LBS AND HE WAS TESTED ALSO AND WAS CLEAN. DENNIS IS A GREAT LIFTER AND I KNOW HE IS CLEAN ALSO. NO DOUBT DENNIS IS WORLD CLASS LIFTER AND PERSON.
BOSSMAN
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Post by toolpod on May 11, 2006 15:52:00 GMT -5
DOH! That's right, I forgot about Will Lynch...and he lifts here too! <smack> Yeah, that would be a good lift to see. If they were both going head-to-head, I will drive over to Jersey to watch.
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Post by dopar66 on May 11, 2006 15:59:22 GMT -5
I am in NO WAY minimalizing Will. Not only is he a great guy, but a superhuman bencher. I saw how close he was to locking out with the 500, and to say it's in his sights is underestimating Will. I do have to qualify by saying Cieri is working just as hard as Will right now.
Not being able to recall how Wilks is calculated, I can only say I wish I could be there to see the competition! That's the kind of competition that ranks right up there with getting to see Beau Moore and Nick go head-to-head!
God Bless.
Doug
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2006 18:00:37 GMT -5
sounds like its gonna be a WAR. good luck to both lifters.
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Post by toolpod on May 11, 2006 19:45:13 GMT -5
The Wilks formula is an empirically based formula developed from a whole lot of data analysis of lifter results. Based on the formula calculator I found, for Will's 485lb bench at 181, the Wilks coefficient is 147.806 For Dennis' 500lb bench at 198, the Wilks is 144.941. Dennis would need to bench 509.7 to match a 485 @ 181. Now, if Will rips out a 500lb at 181, that would be a Wilks of 152.377, which would be the equivalent of a 527lb press at 198. If they would be lifting head to head...that would be well worth the 7 hour drive!  The best raw bench I have personally seen was at my last meet,where a 165lb guy benched 415 for a Wilks of 134.3 |
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Post by minibernor on May 11, 2006 22:40:38 GMT -5
how the heck does someone bench 500 raw at 198 drug free? is he lifetime drug free and how many years did it take to acomplish that? any pics of this guy he must be jacked
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Post by ironmaster on May 11, 2006 23:49:53 GMT -5
I was at the NERB last saturday and as great a bench as Cieri and Lynch have you if Ryan Celli shows up you could be losing your money. I watched him hit 495 with gas left in his tank at 196 pounds. I dont know how the formula works but I also saw Rock Lewis hit 580 at 242 and just miss 610 and he did his first two lifts (560 and 580) with no lift off. I feel if he had a lift off on those first two he may very well have made 610. And of course Jeremy Hoornstra world record of 605 at 239. I'd like to see those guys all show up and see who wins.
SEMPER FI
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Post by jimray on May 12, 2006 7:19:26 GMT -5
We know Cieri and Lynch will pass a drug test. We don't know about Hoornstra, Winters, Lewis, or Celli. (The NERB was an non-tested meet, except for Beau Moore.)
The picture I've seen of Cieri shows a tall, slender guy, presumably with a big ROM. Of course, he's tested out of comp. as well. (USAPL/IPF and all that)
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Post by toolpod on May 12, 2006 10:00:30 GMT -5
A friend of mine who lifted at BA2 said that Cieri (sounds like "cherry", not "sea-airy") was 5'10-ish...which means at 198lbs you are slender by PLing standards. Cieri had gone back and forth between 220 and 198 IIRC. Pictures I have seen show him to be muscular but not jacked...strong-looking but you'd never think 500+ BP strong. Living proof that strength is primarily about CNS power, not muscular bulk. I'm in the same boat, 5'11 198, but not in the same passenger class ;D, my bp is a good 50-60 lbs lower than his. Plus, IIRC his 500 raw press at the USAPL nats was an opener before shirting up and hitting 590. Not sure of his BWT there, but that tells me he's got more in the tank raw if that's the goal. 20-25 lbs maybe? Time will tell.  |
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Post by dopar66 on May 12, 2006 10:42:03 GMT -5
Toolpod, thanks so much for that explanation and the numbers. All I can say is........................ (that's short for speechless)
Well DANG! Since you put it like THAT! Wee doggies, GIT R DONE!
Thanks again for that excellent post.
God Bless.
Doug
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Post by toolpod on May 12, 2006 12:10:07 GMT -5
Thanks Doug!
It would be fantastic to watch those guys compete.
I was doing some more reading on Wilks...apparrently it also tries to account for the fact that the ratio of muscle and fat to skeletal mass doesn't vary linearly with bodyweight. For heavier folks the amount of muscle can be much higher. Makes sense...if I pile on another 20lbs...my bone mass wouldn't go up accordingly.
Funny thing though...thet equation was developed by poring over old PL & Olympic results for a boatload of lifters, IIRC.
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Post by bossman on May 12, 2006 13:09:03 GMT -5
I can assure you that Dennis and Will are both Drug Free. They are both humble and modest and are not showboats. These 2 guys are the type of people you want to be associated with. Will has lifted in the federation for 6 years now and Dennis has called me and is very interested in competing in 100% RAW. I hope to see them both soon at the Nationals or Worlds.
ps. If I can get my body weight down about 10-15 pounds I might take a shot at Dennis and Will.
Bossman
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Post by toolpod on May 12, 2006 16:50:27 GMT -5
Sounds like this is the place to be!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2006 10:26:10 GMT -5
To all on this forum, Dennis Cieri here. I want to thank you for the positive comments. To clarify, I offered the money to the winner of the raw division using wilkes. My buddy, meet director and training partner, Troy Lehrer beefed up the offer to make it more of a challenge to beat me. I thought it would be a great way to promote the meet and raw drug free bench pressing. At the end of the day, it is the $$ brought in by sponsors and meet directors that will draw more attention to this growing segment of the sport. I am truly moving towards raw lifting and am trying to promote it as best I can. As far as Will Lynch, I hope he shows and brings his A game, it would be an honor for me to compete with someone at his level. To answer some of the questions I have seen on here, I have been drug tested dozens of times since I have been competing over the last 20 years. I am proud to be lifetime drug free and look forward to a long and healthy future in the sport of raw drug free bench pressing. I will be in Orlando for the Worlds and hope to see some great competition there.
Best regards to my fellow lifters who share the same thoughts on the sport.
Dennis "Heavy D" Cieri
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Post by bossman on May 19, 2006 14:06:05 GMT -5
I spoke to Dennis last night and he is ready for the challenge. He is a super bencher and will be lifting in 100% RAW this summer in Orlando. He will also be lifting at the 100% RAW World Bench Press championships in November. I am thinking of putting up a challenge for any 198lb lifter to compete against Dennis and can beat him. I will let you all know later. The problem is when lifters find out who is coming they seem to run away from the competition. The last few years we have had this happen in the 220lb and 242lb classes. I hope that nobody runs and gets up for the challenge. I would rather lose to an IPF World Champion than win with no ther lifters in my class.
Bossman
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Post by isbell on May 19, 2006 15:55:40 GMT -5
That is cool that dennis will jump feds to validate himself as a bencher. I say feed will lynch some steaks and ice cream and have a good 198 class contest. I of course will eat myself into another category to avoid all of that 198 stuff with those world class guys...LOL
My hat is off to both of those guys. I hope to be there to see it.
Tom
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Post by 3speed on May 19, 2006 17:15:45 GMT -5
Paul, I have always said that I would rather finish 6th out of 10 than 1st out of 1. Glad to see someone else with the same attitude. You must be speaking of 220 & 242 benchers - I know no one is going to run from me in full power.
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Post by toolpod on May 20, 2006 8:34:55 GMT -5
Welcome to the board HeavyD!
I definitely hope to see you compete at Orlando.
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Post by dopar66 on May 22, 2006 6:35:49 GMT -5
That's too daggone complicated. :') I like this formula:
Total divided by bodyweight.
Only compare weight class to weight class.
There. Simplicity! I can dig it. :')
God Bless.
Doug
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Post by jimray on May 22, 2006 8:27:41 GMT -5
I read that Dennis went 501.5, 512.5, and 523.5, with seemingly more in the tank! Freakin' amazing! Now, he's off to Hungary as part of the USAPL's World Bench Team at the IPF. The NC crew did not make it.
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