Boy...,

[jimroberts]

... other than the creaking of my joints, it is very quiet in here!

Guess I'm the only old man to visit

Jim (TheMuse)

[dopar66]

Hey, do "sub" masters get to post here?

:')

[jimroberts]

Hey Doug,
You know, there is enough room in this place we could have one heck of a party!

Where is bodbldr when we need to start the fire

Jim (TheMuse)

[dopar66]

I hear ya! Can't wait til he gets his computer back plugged up.

I saw on the board it's for the 40+ crowd, just wanted to make sure if I drop in once in a while I won't lose any cool points. :')

God Bless.
Doug

[jimroberts]

Yea..., your right about that 40+ thingy Doug. But, we're all brothers (and sisters) here!

Guess we'll have to take it back down south...,

Jim (TheMuse)

[tonyv]

Hey Guys
I think like a teen but I am not. "Masters" sound great but I think I make that in age only not in style or ablility! Do many of us have shoulder problems. I think something let go in my left shoulder from the top down to the outside middle of the bicep area. This happened back in June and it is just starting to come back now. Some discomfort not impossible. Any others with similar problems.
Tony

[jimroberts]

Sounds like you strained a tendon Tony.

There are tendons that connect you bicep to the area of your shoulder (top) and inside your elbow (bottom).

Either that or you had a nerve impinged. Sometimes, when you are at rest, you might get the sensation that your arm is numb or you experience some discomfort. It happens to me when I sleep. I have to sleep on my back or I wake up in a lot of pain and my arm numb if I sleep on my sides. Often times you will get relief when you lift because of how the muscle reacts to the overload.

I'm not a doc, but this is how it was explained to me once by my doc.

Try icing the area after you train and take anti inflammatorys. Mix 'em up. Don't take the same all the time or your body will adjust and the one you chose will not be quite as affective after some time. Take ibuprofen, aspirin and alive and alternate them as needed. Tylenol is not that affective and due to recent findings, scares me!

Jim (TheMuse)

[Jim B.]

Just thought I would drop by and say HI! Us young kids got's to stay together. Give the young pups some competition. Doug (dopar66) - we won't give you too hard a time for stopping by once in a while just keep us honest. You will be here sooner than you know. LOL.

I am just coming off the pec. - sturnum injury and a hyperextension of the right elbow from a couple of months ago (all on the same side). Evertything seems fine now but it took a couple of months to come back to 100%. I find that even when hurt it is best to stretch the area and keep range of motion - heal time if faster than doing nothing or total rest. Holds down on atrify. Just try not to aggrevate it too much and have a set back. I healed just in time to get to Elgin, IL on the 24th. Not sure full strength is quite there yet.

I am competing in a nonsanctioned meet this weekend in Dubuque, IA - hope things go well. We'll see how healed I really am. Thought it would be a good test before the 24th to see where I am.

Tony the best advice I can give is just keep going and never give up. The Lord works things out in due time. I believe it forced me to train smarter and appreciate the sport more.

Good luck in the heal process.

Jim

[jp]

I'm here....and a master's lifter, with sore shoulders, elbows and knees.....hips still don't hurt yet.....but I expect that to happen anytime soon...LOL!!

Cheers,

JP

[3speed]

Another master lifter checking in here. I definitely agree with the comment about appreciating the sport more. My training partner is 25 and I was just talking to him about this on Saturday.

When I was in my 20's, I was like everyone else. I went to the gym and trained 'wide open' every day. I made some progress, but it was usually 1 step forward and 3 steps back. After years of experience, I have learned how my body responds to different styles of training. I am, right now, the strongest I have been in my entire life. It just takes a little longer to get going.

I wish I had the knowledge and the patience 20 years ago that I have now.

[sixtyfour]

Good morning. I am 64 and regularly lift in 100% RAW. Coming back off of sore shoulders and lower back. Haven't competed since April. Looking forward to World Bench championships. Great sport and great federation. My personal goal is to qualify as elite powerlifter. Hope to wee everybody at future meets.
Gus.

[jimroberts]

I think we're going to need to change the topic..., any master women out there?

I don't think "Boy...," is setting an opportunity for the ladies to join in.

And the creaking sound of the joints is starting to sound like the fevered song of a rocking chair on a wooden porch


Jim (TheMuse)

[Jim B.]

I agree with Jim (The Muse). We need to bring this area to a whole new level. I feel a whole lot better when I lift then if I was just sitting around doing nothing. I am stronger than I have ever been in my whole life. The raw competitions are great motivation to keep me feeling the best I can be; and to meet some really great people in the process. And after learning about the married couple that just competed in Nebraska (ages 66 and 69). How cool is that - hats off to them. That's why I love this sport so much.

And Jim (The Muse) - I'll be 100 before they strap me into any rocking chair. LOL

Jim

[tonyv]

Hey Guys
Thanks to Jim and the others about advise with my shoulder. I had problems with my computer so I did not answer sooner. Again thanks and looking forward to 9/24. My son and I are hoping to have some fun. I have not done something like this in 31 years so I am not looking to win by any stretch but to have some fun and measure myself against others.
Tony

[jp]

You know what, this Master's section is a great idea!! What would really be good is to trade ideas on training. At nearly 45, and training since my teens like most of you here, I can say that my training has evolved and changed over the years.....but one thing that I did notice more than anything is that the way I train has vastly changed over the years too....training routines that worked years ago, do not necessarily work for me now.....

JP

[Deleted]

Been away for I while,but im here and im 44 looking at my first meet as a master thiis year.

[lej405]

Well i'm 52 and been lifting for about 14 years now. Still love the lifting but it does take a few days longer to recover and you young guys in your 40's will find this out soon enough. Now for the shoulder injury. I'm not sure if I had the same problem as you but similar. I couldnt bench for over 6 months. Luckily I could still use dumb bells so not all was lost. My problem was from heavy benching all the years my front delts were over trained and wasnt traing the rear delt enough. So to make a long story short my tendons were pulling my rotator cuff foward causing me severe pain. During the six months I couldnt bench I was doing a lot of rear delt work to strenthen that muscle. Now I'm back to normal and my bench is also back to normal. A lot of people dont realize and I was one of them that you use a lot of front delt benching and you have to work the rears enough to try and keep every thing in balance.

Hope this helps someone cause I really dont want to see anyone in the pain I was in for ^ months

Larry

[jimroberts]

Welcome lej45!

It is great to see another 50%'er here. Or in other more frieghtful terms..., half way to the the century mark

And it is great we're still doing what we do. Look around yourself at those who are doing nothing.

It is great advice you give concerning shoulder injuries. Nothing but the truth!!!!

So often is the case that more work is dedicated to the front delts that had we only had spent a bit more time doing bent over side laterals, face pulls and shrugs, perhaps the incidence of shoulder injuries would not be as great and more weight would have been moved when we were younger. But as I tell my daughter..., your an adult now, you know everything! And she nods only to humor me..., at least I hope. And a good friend of mine told his son, when the son turned 18, that he should move out of the house and into his own place before he forgot everything he already knew.

Guess it takes age to become a rocket scientest.

Hopefully some of the younger folks here are listening

Jim (TheMuse)

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New to me. Santa Cruz, Ca. lifter. How do I fit?

[animal]

Hey Guys...I'm 56 years young @ 215 lbs. body weight and I'm stronger now than I have ever been and I'm drug free for life. I have been competing in the bench only, since 1996.

My shoulders are kinda beat up from heavy bench training and not training smart. For many years I used a wide grip and this took a toll on my shoulders and on top of that I over trained my chest and triceps on mostly every workout. I always thought more was better...boy was I wrong. I have come to the conclusion now that...Less is better than more!


Just in the past few years I have made changes, here's a few things I have done that helped me continue my quest for a 500 bench....
(1) I have implimented rotator cuff exercises into my routine twice a week and this has helped dramaticly.
(2) I changed my setup where I'm benching lower on my chest (top of abs). Moved my grip in closer, I consentrate on leg drive and keeping as tight as I can through out the lift.
(3) I keep my reps between 1-5. If I do singles I do NO more than 4 in the 90% range.

I have noticed in the last 5 years that my gains are very minimal even though I'm still busting my donkey. So improving your set up and technique is huge. Another thing...I know this is a raw forum and some of you guys don't believe in bench shirts but if you want to still compete when your in your 60's you gotta think about wearing a bench shirt. Your shoulders will never hold up from benching raw.

Currently, I'm training raw and going to compete at the WNPF Worlds in just few weeks. I'm going to compete raw (long story)but after this meet I will be training & competing in a shirt again. I love competing raw but to much heavy raw benching takes a toll on my shoulders. Benching in a shirt doesn't bother my shoulders at all. It's a no brainer!

Train Smart...Not Hard!
Dale

[Deleted]

Its great to see that we now have a Masters section.
I thought I was the only old guy here!LOL
Dopar your inspiration is always welcome!

[dopar66]

Thanks for the kind words, Diablo. I try not to intercede here too much, but before too long I'll be official. :')

God Bless.

[jimray]

animal, what are you gonna hit raw at that WNPF meet? I'm 49, with a 515@340, and hope to hit at least that in a year when I turn 50. I just heard that Pat Dennis is hitting it hard again. An IPF Masters Gold winner in the 275 wt. class, he's over 300 at 53 and hit a 535 raw in the gym last week.

It would be great to see a raw, tested, national PL or BP championship, with 100% RAW, NASA, WNPF, AAU, and ADAU teams. Since they're all mostly Eastern, except NASA, put the meet on at Indy, at an airport hotel.

[toolpod]

Hey! Where's the *Sub-Masters* support group?!? For all of us "soon to be old-farts"

[animal]

jimray said:

animal, what are you gonna hit raw at that WNPF meet? I'm 49, with a 515@340, and hope to hit at least that in a year when I turn 50. I just heard that Pat Dennis is hitting it hard again. An IPF Masters Gold winner in the 275 wt. class, he's over 300 at 53 and hit a 535 raw in the gym last week.

It would be great to see a raw, tested, national PL or BP championship, with 100% RAW, NASA, WNPF, AAU, and ADAU teams. Since they're all mostly Eastern, except NASA, put the meet on at Indy, at an airport hotel.

Jimray...Wow, that's impressive raw benching there bro. I'm no where near any of you guys but keep in mind I'm only 215 lbs. and 56 years old. I'm hoping to hit some where around 350 at the worlds. I'm also going to compete in body weight for reps. If the timing is right and I don't have to warm up again at the meet, I'm hoping to get in the 20's, we'll see. I have never been much of a raw bencher...I have always competed in a shirt. I just started competing raw in the bench and I'm having fun with it. Actually, I like doing both raw and assisted. If I continue to compete raw my numbers will go up.

Dale